Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/04/1999 03:35 PM Senate STA

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            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     May 4, 1999                                                                                                
                      3:35 p.m.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jerry Ward, Chairman                                                                                                    
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 24                                                                                                  
Relating to the Kosovo conflict and to Alaskans serving in the                                                                  
military forces in the area of the conflict.                                                                                    
     -MOVED CSSJR 24 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 20                                                                                                   
Urging the Congress to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to                                                               
eliminate the marriage penalty by providing that income tax rate                                                                
bracket amounts, and the amount of the standard deduction, for                                                                  
joint returns shall be twice the amounts applicable to unmarried                                                                
individuals.                                                                                                                    
     -MOVED HJR 20 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 26(WTR)                                                                                       
Relating to establishing maritime boundaries with Canada.                                                                       
     -MOVED CSHJR 26(WTR) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SJR 24 - No previous Senate action.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HJR 20 - No previous Senate action.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CSHJR 26(WTR) - No previous Senate action.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Robert Krogseng                                                                                                                 
Staff to Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for the sponsor of SJR 24                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Judi Jordan                                                                                                                     
Staff to Representative Gail Phillips                                                                                           
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for the sponsor of HJR 20                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of HJR 26                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-13, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD called the Senate State Affairs Committee to order at                                                             
3:35 p.m.  Present were Senators Green, Wilken, Elton, and Chairman                                                             
Ward.  The first order of business to come before the committee was                                                             
SJR 24.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                     SJR 24-KOSOVO CONFLICT                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to adopt CSSJR 24 in lieu of the original                                                                  
bill.  There being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBERT KROGSENG, staff to Senator Taylor, sponsor of SJR 24,                                                                
made the following comments.  SJR 24 will let members of the Armed                                                              
Services know that Alaskans support them in their efforts to bring                                                              
a halt to the atrocities being carried out by Milosevic.  CSSJR 24                                                              
acknowledges the bravery and sacrifices of all military forces and,                                                             
in particular, those military men and women who are Alaskans or are                                                             
stationed in Alaska.  While some may not agree with the methods                                                                 
being used to accomplish the goal of the NATO Alliance, we support                                                              
our military men and women who are being asked to participate in                                                                
this conflict and courageously place themselves in harm's way.  The                                                             
committee substitute does not contain language referring to the                                                                 
POWs as it is no longer applicable due to their release.   He urged                                                             
the committee's support of CSSJR 24.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN noted some members of the public view this resolution                                                             
as endorsing the President's actions and are offended by it.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 064                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD stated he has no problem supporting the Alaska                                                                    
military overseas anytime, however he is uncomfortable supporting                                                               
the language on page 2, lines 21-22, because he is not sure that he                                                             
supports NATO's actions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG stated the intent of the resolution is to support                                                                  
those "in the trenches," including troops from other NATO                                                                       
countries, not to support the decision to be involved.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD stated that Senator Stevens pointed out, after                                                                    
returning from Kosovo, that NATO is preventing the bombers, the                                                                 
majority of whom are American, from bombing the necessary targets.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG agreed, but said he still feels the Alaska Legislature                                                             
should provide support to the troops.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD maintained his support for American troops and said                                                               
that although he agrees with Senator Stevens, he disagrees with the                                                             
Senator's decision to publicly state that American troops are being                                                             
put under the misguided rule of NATO.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 120                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG repeated that this resolution does not endorse NATO's                                                              
actions, it supports the combat troops involved.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN clarified that NATO is not at the top of the chain                                                               
of command and that no American serviceperson is taking command                                                                 
from one of the allied forces commanded by NATO.  He clarified that                                                             
American troops are taking command from US Armed Services'                                                                      
officers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD disagreed and noted that Senator Stevens expressed                                                                
concern that NATO is taking easy political outs in an attempt to                                                                
achieve its own political advantages to the detriment of American                                                               
soldiers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG stated he flew 230 missions in Viet Nam and could                                                                  
relate to the frustration experienced by American troops involved                                                               
in the current situation.  He added it is easier for the guy doing                                                              
the actual work knowing people support him even though they                                                                     
disagree with the overall policy.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD noted until now, NATO has been in a defensive                                                                     
position in its 50 year existence, therefore we are at a crossroad                                                              
in which foreign countries are dictating to American servicemen.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 192                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN repeated American troops are taking orders from                                                                  
American commanders in consultation with the NATO Allied Forces.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD stated his understanding is the opposite; American                                                                
commanders are being held back from taking normal military actions                                                              
because of the NATO machinery which it cannot control.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN suggested the following amendment.  On page 1, delete                                                             
lines 8-10, and reword lines 11 and 13 to read:                                                                                 
          WHEREAS the armed forces of the United States are                                                                     
     currently participating in the campaign against Serbian forces                                                             
     in Kosovo to stop the ethnic cleansing activities; and                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
On page 2, lines 21 and 22, delete "of the military personnel of                                                                
NATO countries involved".                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In addition, SENATOR GREEN suggested removing the reference to                                                                  
President Clinton and Congress on line 23 and rewording the                                                                     
remainder of the sentence.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD said he would feel more comfortable including the                                                                 
Senator Green's suggested amendments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON stated he agrees with the sponsor's language for                                                                  
several reasons.  First, it is clear the resolution does not                                                                    
endorse the choices made by NATO or its command structure.  Second,                                                             
the resolution expresses clear support for the troops doing the                                                                 
job.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 277                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN moved to delete lines 8-10 on page 1, and to change                                                               
lines 11 and 12 to read:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          "WHEREAS the armed forces of the United States are                                                                    
     currently participating in the campaign against Serbian forces                                                             
     in Kosovo;"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
and change lines 20-23 on page 2 to read:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          "FURTHER RESOLVED that the members of the Alaska State                                                                
     Legislature express their heartfelt concern for the safety of                                                              
     the United States military personnel in the conflict, and of                                                               
     the refugees who are fleeing Kosovo;"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
and to delete the remainder of the sentence.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON objected to bring to Senator Green's attention that                                                               
if the concern is the implication that the United States is                                                                     
acceding control to NATO, the language on page 2, lines 23 - 25                                                                 
should be retained, because it says that final control of the                                                                   
mission ought to be in the hands of the President and Congress.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN said so many people disagree with President Clinton's                                                             
actions on this matter but that other language might be substituted                                                             
regarding a quick and peaceful resolution.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 320                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON agreed that many members of Congress disagree with                                                                
President Clinton on this matter but he emphasized the need to                                                                  
retain the language suggesting that the President and Congress work                                                             
as hard as possible to bring about a long lasting resolution.  He                                                               
added that if the resolution does not suggest that the President                                                                
and Congress do it, it could imply that NATO is the appropriate                                                                 
organization to find a resolution.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN agreed but said she did not know how to amend the                                                                 
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to amend Amendment 1 by deleting, on page 2,                                                               
line 1, the words, "of the military personnel of NATO countries                                                                 
involved in the conflict,".                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN was agreeable to Senator Wilken's amendment to                                                                    
Amendment 1 and said her concern was that no one think that the                                                                 
Alaska Legislature tacitly approves of the President's actions by                                                               
calling on him to continue those actions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 1 as amended was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 344                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked whether Representative Don Young has been                                                                  
contacted about his votes last week on this issue in Congress.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KROGSENG thought Senator Taylor spoke with Congressman Young                                                                
the previous week but was unaware of the discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN noted there is no need to send a copy of the                                                                     
resolution to Congressman Young since he voted against supporting                                                               
military activity last week.  He moved Amendment 3, to delete the                                                               
words on page 3, lines 7-8, "and the Honorable Don Young, U.S.                                                                  
Representatives, members of the Alaska delegation in Congress".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON objected and again repeated that SJR 24 as amended                                                                
does not endorse the military action in Kosovo, it endorses the                                                                 
troops.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN maintained his motion to adopt Amendment 3 on the                                                                
basis that Representative Young voted against a similar resolution                                                              
in Congress on two occasions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN questioned whether sending a resolution to Alaska's                                                               
congressional delegation is a matter of protocol.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON removed his objection, therefore Amendment 3 was                                                                  
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to send a copy of SJR 24 as amended to Colonel                                                             
Canolas, General Cash, General Cash, and the Adjutant General of                                                                
the Alaska Air National Guard.  There being no objection, the                                                                   
motion carried.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to move CSSJR 24(STA) from committee with                                                                  
individual recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion                                                               
carried.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           HJR 20-FEDERAL INCOME TAX MARRIAGE PENALTY                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JUDI JORDAN, legislative aide to Representative Gail Phillips,                                                                  
sponsor of HJR 20, made the following comments.  Married couples                                                                
pay a much higher income tax rate and receive a lower standard                                                                  
deduction than two single individuals.  The purpose of HJR 20 is to                                                             
support a proposal before Congress to eliminate the marriage tax                                                                
penalty.  In 1996 nearly 21 million married couples paid an average                                                             
of $1400 more in taxes because of the marriage penalty.  With the                                                               
anticipation of a federal budget surplus over the next ten years,                                                               
Representative Phillips felt the time is appropriate for the                                                                    
removal of the marriage tax penalty.  Several legislative measures                                                              
to do away with the marriage tax penalty and make the standard                                                                  
deduction for a married couple equal to that of two single                                                                      
individuals are before Congress at this time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN moved HJR 20 from committee with individual                                                                       
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON asked Ms. Jordan to provide him with information                                                                  
showing that the average family now pays more in taxes than it pays                                                             
on housing, food, and clothing combined.  MS. JORDAN said she could                                                             
provide Senator Wilken with backup information to the bills before                                                              
Congress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 443                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
       CSHJR 26(WTR)-ALASKA MARITIME BOUNDARY WITH CANADA                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COGHILL, sponsor of HJR 26, explained the                                                                   
intent of the measure is to try to keep a good working relationship                                                             
with Canada. Some of the Alaskan/Canadian maritime boundaries are                                                               
still in dispute.  HJR 26 calls for resolution of that dispute.  No                                                             
negotiations are underway between Canada and the United States                                                                  
right now; CSHJR 26(WTR) urges the establishment of negotiations,                                                               
that Alaska be included, and that the result of the negotiations be                                                             
disclosed to Alaskans prior to ratification.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked if the Administration has taken a position on                                                               
the resolution.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said the Administration was not asked.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 480                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON moved CSHJR 26(WTR) from committee with individual                                                                
recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD adjourned the meeting at 4:10 p.m.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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